Originally Posted by: ChristopherSchlegelTo alter these we typically use the terms flat (or diminished), sharp (or augmented).
To confuse matters, the lowered or flat 2nd is occasionally referred to as minor or diminished.
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this just sounds like the same phenomena in etymology...
Popular misuse corrupting the vocabulary...
Like most people saying "sarcasm" when what they mean is "fascetious"
(Sarcasm - derivitive of chasm - implies an attitude of contempt)
I mean... so what happens when you have an F# diminished Chord?[br]or a Bb augmented?[br][br]It seems like using sharp and augmented interchangeably is just silly.[br]They're NOT the same thing.[br][br]So basically what i'm hearing is that flat being a matter of pitch doesn't really have any place in talking about scale degrees...
but because it's just common to say b5... that's what it's called.
[quote=ChristopherSchlegel]Some of this had to do with measuring the halfstep between other scale degrees. For example, the distance between the 2nd & major 3rd is a whole step or a major second, but the distance between the major 3rd & 4th is a halfstep or a minor second.
yeah but that's all just a matter of perspective relative to where you coming from... right? How's that justify calling a scale degree flat/sharp?
Scale degrees change relative to position;
like a m6 in relation to a 4th; is also a m3 in relation to a 1
but pitch is absolute.
it's an accidental regardless of whether it's a 5, m7, sus4... or whatever
right?