since they closed the other thread, and the discussion wasnt over, i feel it neccesary to start a new one.

i cant tell you if the thing about snipe recording with cobain is true or not, but i do know that michael snipe got kurts jag-stang after he was so brutally murdered.

"Can't say I can relate 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' to Boston or REM, but, "the secret of originality is knowing how to cover your sources", so who knows?!" who can argue with an opinion? if you ask me, it sounds like boston. if i ask you, it doesnt. thats the beauty of being an individual. and i totally agree with the "covering your sources" thing. thats been done for generations.

please continue the thread about lower tuning and solos. it wasnt finished. please post.

thanks guys.

Originally Posted by: griefwearsgrayafter he was so brutally murdered.

While this is an ambiguous pronoun, I'll assume you're talking about Cobain. I'm pretty sure he killed himself, dude. In fact, I'm 100% positive.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonWhile this is an ambiguous pronoun, I'll assume you're talking about Cobain. I'm pretty sure he killed himself, dude. In fact, I'm 100% positive.

http://www.cobaincase.com/

Originally Posted by: PonyOne....Stipe.

my bad. thanks man.

Originally Posted by: Jolly McJollysonWhile this is an ambiguous pronoun, I'll assume you're talking about Cobain. I'm pretty sure he killed himself, dude. In fact, I'm 100% positive.

it is a fact that there is enough evidence to change his case from a suicuide to an undetermined. but, the seattle pd doesnt want to admit they made a mistake.

i thought it was a cool word too.

I missed something there...why was the last thread closed?

Having not seen any of the actual evidence, I'm prepared to sit on the fence and accept both possibilities. I do find it odd that he was quoted as saying he'd "never been happier" not that long before he died, (Kerrang!), but equally he suffered from chemical depression, so it is highly plausible that something snapped and it was suicide.

Depending on which side you're on, there's only one, or a few, who know the truth; he's not here, and they probably would never tell, whichever the case may be.

My appologise for "Snipe" - I blame my stupid-fingers!

Originally Posted by: AkiraHaving said that, I don't think tuning down leads to less solo's.

Symphony X tune down; they have plenty of solo's.

I do however think that in the mainstream, solo's don't seem to be as popular as they were 10 or 20 years ago.

Exactly. Correlation does not prove causality.

Originally Posted by: Akira
Symphony X tune down; they have plenty of solo's.

Good example - and Zakk Wylde's been know to tune down every now and then.

I can't remember what I put in the last thread, but I'll just say I agree with Akira - tuning down doesn't lead to lack of solo's; a change in the kind of music people want to hear does though...There's a lot of non-mainstream band's that still solo - if you want solo's, look for those bands - whether you buy their albums, download them, (from legitimate sites, of course... :) ) or see them live...I don't think we're in an age anymore where radio dictate's what's "hot or not".

Out of interest, what do people class "mainstream" as? Is it the stuff you hear on the radio, or is it when bands become popular enough that people outside of the genre fan base start listening, or is it something else?

the last one couldve been closed for any number of reasons. i think i couldve been one of them, but enough about that. still not really sure.

its cool about your fingers. as long as you can play, who cares if you can type.

if you go to other threads, tell people about this one, because its not that known to my knowledge. thank ya.

what about pantera and damageplan? dimebag always detuned and you cant complain about his solo work ;)

Originally Posted by: WilldridgeGood example - and Zakk Wylde's been know to tune down every now and then.

I can't remember what I put in the last thread, but I'll just say I agree with Akira - tuning down doesn't lead to lack of solo's; a change in the kind of music people want to hear does though...There's a lot of non-mainstream band's that still solo - if you want solo's, look for those bands - whether you buy their albums, download them, (from legitimate sites, of course... :) ) or see them live...I don't think we're in an age anymore where radio dictate's what's "hot or not".

Out of interest, what do people class "mainstream" as? Is it the stuff you hear on the radio, or is it when bands become popular enough that people outside of the genre fan base start listening, or is it something else?

doesnt zakk use bass strings on one of his guitars? i heard this, but im not saying its true.

uh mainstream, i think its the 2nd one, but its anyones guess.

Originally Posted by: AkiraDude, one thing you do not do is continue a closed thread, it was closed for a reason.

thanks mom. for whatever reason it was closed, it doesnt matter. the point is you dont walk away from a conversation right in the middle. i dont, anyway.

Originally Posted by: tehplatypushttp://www.cobaincase.com/

And I was on the "grassy knoll" in Dallas in '62.......

Now, as to the original post-

I do not beleive that tuning down has led to less guitar solos. Van Halen was often tuned down at least a half step, and often in dropped D, Dimebag Darrell was almost exclusively in dropped-D tuning, Tony Iommi was tuned down to C or C#, John Petrucci play a lot of dutuned stuff, Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaugh was allways tuned down.

I think the lack of solos can be attributed to the affect that Kurt Cobain had on popular music. He influenced a generation of players that followed his style, which didn't include guitar solos. During the 90's you were actually jeered at in a lot of places for even *trying* to solo, and that discouraged a lot of folks from even trying. I think however, as players mature nowadays, that they will realize that there are other fun and meaningfull ways to express yourself than 3 or 4 powerchords, which is funny to me, because it used to be that the younger players needed to mature before they realized that the're are more ways to express yourself and have fun besides blazing out a million notes.

Therefore, I would say tuning down has nothing to do with a lack of solos in today's "popular" music, but rather that it was just a reflection of the times and current trends.

That's my sory and I'm stickin' to it :p

Originally Posted by: 3fingeredbluesNow, as to the original post-

I do not beleive that tuning down has led to less guitar solos. Van Halen was often tuned down at least a half step, and often in dropped D, Dimebag Darrell was almost exclusively in dropped-D tuning, Tony Iommi was tuned down to C or C#, John Petrucci play a lot of dutuned stuff, Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaugh was allways tuned down.

I think the lack of solos can be attributed to the affect that Kurt Cobain had on popular music. He influenced a generation of players that followed his style, which didn't include guitar solos. During the 90's you were actually jeered at in a lot of places for even *trying* to solo, and that discouraged a lot of folks from even trying. I think however, as players mature nowadays, that they will realize that there are other fun and meaningfull ways to express yourself than 3 or 4 powerchords, which is funny to me, because it used to be that the younger players needed to mature before they realized that the're are more ways to express yourself and have fun besides blazing out a million notes.

Therefore, I would say tuning down has nothing to do with a lack of solos in today's "popular" music, but rather that it was just a reflection of the times and current trends.

That's my sory and I'm stickin' to it :p

Cobain didn't solo?....ermm...'Smells Like Teen Spirit', 'Come As You Are', 'All Appologise', 'You Know You're Right', 'Man Who Sold The World'...I can go on if need's be...

I agree with everything else you've said there - but I do contest that Kurt solo'd, and inspired equally as many guitarists to be lead players rather than just strummers...

Contest it all you want Will, but those are not guitar solos in the classic sense. At least not mine, or most peoples definition of a solo. They are simple melodies that in most cases cary on the vocal melody, and a lot of times were just sheer noise. I would contest anybody saying Kurt ever played a genuine solo. So there :p hehhehheh

And I would be very curious if you could name anyone that has gone on record saying that Kurt inspired them to become a great soloist.....

Maybe out of a backlash against him, but not because of a direct inspiration because of his otherworldly talents as a soloist.

Enough of Kurt....I will go on record as saying I didn't like Nirvana when they were new, and I don't now. Nothing is EVER going to change my mind on that...I thought "HOLE" was better....LMAO

can't wait for the replies on that one! :D

Originally Posted by: 3fingeredbluesContest it all you want Will, but those are not guitar solos in the classic sense. At least not mine, or most peoples definition of a solo. They are simple melodies that in most cases cary on the vocal melody, and a lot of times were just sheer noise. I would contest anybody saying Kurt ever played a genuine solo. So there :p hehhehheh

So George Harrison never played any solos?

Are you comparing George Harrison to Kurt Cobain?!? That's almost as bad as the Hendrix/Cobain thread...

George was a wonderfully talented songwriter and multi-instrumenalist. Would I call him a soloist? Not in the veign of Beck, Page, or Clapton, but he could pull out some creative stuff as far as solos go, wrote a lot of great songs, and was allways in tune. He's one of my all time favorites. Especially his very distinctive slide playing. I've never heard anyone sound like George on slide. Plenty try to cop Duane Allman, but I don't think many try to cop on George 'cause his playing was a little "outside" compared to other "western" players, and I would attribute that to his studies with Ravi Shankar, and his passion for Hawaiin ukelele.

I haven't participated on this thread, but I did read the thread that was closed, and I am curious as to why it was closed.....

Originally Posted by: 3fingeredbluesAre you comparing George Harrison to Kurt Cobain?!? That's almost as bad as the Hendrix/Cobain thread.

Yes I am. How is it "bad?" You accused Cobain of playing solos that were merely continuations of the melody. Since Harrison built an entire career on it, I'm asking you to justify your statement since you seem to think George Harrison is a good guitarist (a sentiment I agree with).